Soiled Underwear in Day Care Centers

I live in Indiana and have a question. The day care my children attend have told me that it is the law that they cannot rinse out soiled underwear. They simply remove it from my child and let it sit in a bag even with poop in it without rinsing or dumping the poop from the panties all day til I come to pick them up. Of course by the time I get it home it is disgusting and the panties are usually ruined by this pt. It becomes not only gross but costly to replace the stained panties. What is Indiana state law on this? Is it true? If it is, whoever passed this one obviously has never opened up a bag of 8 hour old poop.
Thank you kindly

[Former Teacher]

In Texas I don't think there is such as law, however I have read up on other centers and their policy is that of they can not rinse it out.

I would think it is a matter of sanitary. For years I personally would sit there and rinse out the soiled underwear until about 2 years ago. There was a boy who was 4 years old and he was just lazy to go to the bathroom. He would potty in there but he was lazy to do the other one. Well I would rinse out the soiled underwear for the first few times.

I happened to be walking out with the mother one day after she had her bag with his soiled underwear. We had a great communication. I really liked her alot. Anyway, we were walking out to her car so I could wish her and her son a good night and she walked right to the trash can. I was like "no! I already rinsed those out for you. She said do you honestly think I will put that in my washer? Even though its rinsed?"

We went on to have a long discussion and I agreed with her. It became MY policy that should a child in my care soil (THAT way not pee pee) then they would go in the trash.

Yes a few parents got upset because underwear costs money etc.. I just explained to them that I was sorry but I didn't have the time nor the staff to be rinsing out dirty clothes. Eventually over time, it became a personal "unspoken" center policy. I would think it would depend on each center.

As for the law, you might want to check Minimum Standards or perhaps the health department.

[ConcernedMotherof2]

This is one of the reasons I REALLY don't miss the days just after diapers went out the window. I've had many soiled pairs of underpants sent home with my children in plastic bags, but was never told it was the law that it be handled this way.

I saw this stage as part of potty training. Once you make the transition to cloth underpants vs. diapers or pull-ups, kids have accidents. (my daughter had WAY more than her share) Instead of approaching this at an angle of your provider is doing something irritating, it may be more constructive to communicate with them on what you can do to keep your daughter from having these accidents.

I don't know how old she is, but she's obviously old enough to be potty trained and this is what I had to do with my daughter... First, I was lucky enough to have some very understanding and experienced providers during this time and they were able to give me guidance. The communication was essential, as this point in a child's life can be difficult. I had my daughter wash her own panties out (with supervision, of course). She didn't do a very good job, but she was able to get an idea of what a mess she was making and she eventually quit making the mess. Of course, thorough hand washing after she was done was essential.

[mac60]

I would think it is more a "guideline/law, I have a mom who has told me to just throw them away when child pooped in them. I sent them home with them, I didn't want them in my garbage for 4 days.

I too will not rinse out pooped cloth panties. No way. If your child is old enough to be wearing cloth panties, they shouldn't be pooping their pants, and while I understand that if a child is ill or in a unusual situation and it happens, then oh well, just throw them out. For less than $1.75 per hour, I am not cleaning poop underwear. I think the dc was right in what they did. It is definately a sanitary issue, and I personally don't want to have to wash them out in my toilet or put them in my washer.

I will say, that if a child poops their panties, I will do my best to get the poop off by shaking them off. But I am not washing them out.

[seashell]

I will dump the poop in the toilet, bag the undies and send them home.

[mac60]

So parents, what do you think is the right thing for the providers to do in the situation where the childs poops their cloth undies?

[Chickenhauler]

I honestly don't see the big difference between rinsing out some poo and changing a filthy diaper.

If a little poo skeeves out a DC provider that badly, then they're in the wrong business.

To the lady who was throwing rinsed underwear in the trash because "I'm not putting that in my washer", I hope her husband never eats Chili or Brats and Kraut.

[seashell]

Originally Posted by Chickenhauler

I honestly don't see the big difference between rinsing out some poo and changing a filthy diaper.

If a little poo skeeves out a DC provider that badly, then they're in the wrong business.

To the lady who was throwing rinsed underwear in the trash because "I'm not putting that in my washer", I hope her husband never eats Chili or Brats and Kraut.

The difference is, a diaper gets wrapped on itself and tossed in the trash. You don't need to scrub the diaper and you certinly don't run it through your washing machine. This is a health concern and I know that in my state, it is required that the undies be put in a bag and not washed out, which can spread germs and takes time from the children.

[tinytotzdaycare]

All of our children start potty training at 22 months and all but a few have been potty trained byt the time they were 2, I have my own technique and it works and since I dont use pull-ups here we have a lot of accidents at first...
I have had a utility sink and seperate washer installed in my laundry room. I put the majority of the accident in the toilet, then rinse the undies with dawn dishsoap (wear gloves) in the utility sink..this sink is used ONLY for this purpose. I clean it with bleach each naptime & night. Anyways during naptime I wash a small load of soiled clothing in the XTRA washer and put those clothes back in their cubby for the next time they need them.

Parents dont have to bring in clothes all the time, I always an extra outfit for them and it doesnt cost them more money. ***IF THEY HAD A VERY LOOSE STOOL I DO AS STATED IN MY CONTRACT/HANDBOOK TOSS THEM IN THE TRASH!!!

If they are wet, I rinse them and toss them in the wash as well.

Parents know that underwear WILL ALWAYS BE BLEACHED!!

[judytrickett]

As a daycare provider I don't rinse them out either. It's pretty unhygenic to rinse out someone else's underwear. Besides, if a child is not fully potty trained then they shouldn't be in underwear in a daycare setting anyway. Peeing and pooping in underwear exposes the other kids to it too. Yuck!

I think I'm just old! I used cloth diapers on my kids [long ago] so therefore I really don't have a problem rinsing out the poo from a child's underwear. Wear latex gloves, rinse most of it out, place it in a sealed bag and send it home.

I have noticed that many younger parents don't want to deal with the mess so they toss the underwear. To each his own... but it seems wasteful to me.

What about poo in the disposable diaper? Does anyone dump most of it in the toilet and flush it? I do. It cuts down on some of the smell in the diaper pail.

[HandsOnLearning]

we throw them our if they are soiled...if they are wet we rinse them and wash them here then put them back in their cubby for next time. Parents understand in the contract it states soiled underwear will be tossed in the trash for safety! Noone complains b/c most of them dont want them back anyway

I guess my rules, are that if there is formed poop in underwear, I try and just get it to go into the toilet, if not, everything is wrapped up in a bag, and sent home for the parents to deal with.

I have a little one in cloth diapers at my home daycare, and I guess I'd do the same with underwear accidents as I do with the cloth diapers. Dump whatever poop I can and bag it up to go home. I don't have the time to be rinsing or soaking things. And as a parent, I'd want to know if my child was having accidents in their underwear, so I'd want them to come home with me, even if I did just toss them in the trash ...

[canadiancare]

I'll dump out formed poop. I have to wonder if the poster's child is ready for underwear if this is a constant occurrence.

[Persephone]

I think they should at least dump the poop out in the to potty.

And that won't put the dirty underwear in your washer would never be able to use cloth diapers.

[Daycare Mommy]

If a #2 accident happens in my daycare I would dump it out only if it's completely solid and not at all stuck on there. Otherwise I do not have time to mess with it. In my daycare, it goes into a bag along with any other soiled clothing and on the front porch for mom to deal with.

I have 6 other daycare children to be caring for. When an accident happens the provider is already taking time from the other kids to clean up the child, clean and sanitize the bathroom and any other areas that were hit. After that there is no time to be on stain patrol too.

Some questions for you though: Where would you propose the childcare provider rinse them out? The sink where the children wash their hands? And what are the children doing while she is pre-treating your laundry?

You aren't specific on how often, but it sounds like this is a frequently occurring thing. If this were my daycare, I would require that she be put back in pull-ups until she is accident free a set amount of time.

Can someone please suggest some person who will stay and take care of 2 month old kid along with kids wife and grandmother.
Also please give me the rates if available.

[mac60]

Originally Posted by dordhs

can someone please suggest some person who will stay and take care of 2 month old kid along with kids wife and grandmother.
Also please give me the rates if available.

huh????????

[Daycare Mommy]

Originally Posted by Dordhs

Can someone please suggest some person who will stay and take care of 2 month old kid along with kids wife and grandmother.
Also please give me the rates if available.

ROFL I think you are lost.. and what are you talking about? What an odd thread to be lost on too. haha

[mac60]

Maybe they got lost looking for the spray and wash to spray the "poop stains"?????? Sorry, lol

[Childminder]

R 400.1923 Diapering and toilet learning.
Rule 23. (1) Diapering of infants and toddlers shall only occur in a designated changing area.
(2) The designated changing area shall comply with all of the following:
(a) Be used exclusively for changing wet or soiled diapers or underwear.
(b) Be located away from food preparation and meal service areas.
(c) Have access to a hand washing sink that is not used for food preparation.
(d) Have a nonabsorbent, easily sanitized surface with a changing pad between the child and the surface.
(e) Be cleaned and sanitized after each use.
(f) Have diapering/changing supplies within easy reach.
(g) Have a plastic-lined, tightly covered container exclusively for disposable diapers and diapering supplies that shall be emptied and sanitized at the end of each day.
(3) Diapers or training pants shall be changed when wet or soiled.
(4) Only single use disposable wipes or other single use cleaning cloths shall be used to clean a child during the diapering or toileting process.
(5) If cloth diapers/training pants are provided by the parent, then soiled diapers/training pants shall be placed in an individual, securely tied plastic bag and returned to the parent at the end of the day.
(6) Toilet learning shall be planned cooperatively between the parent and the caregiver so that the toilet routine established is consistent.
(7) If toilet learning equipment, such as potty chairs and modified toilet seats, are used, then the following shall apply:
(a) They shall be able to be easily cleaned and sanitized.
(b) Potty chairs shall be emptied, rinsed, and sanitized after each use.
(8) If disposable gloves are used, then they shall only be used once for a specific child and be removed and disposed of in a safe and sanitary manner immediately after each diaper change.

R 400.1923 (5) Diapering and toilet learning.
(5) If cloth diapers/training pants are provided by the parent, then
soiled diapers/training pants shall be placed in an individual,
securely tied plastic bag and returned to the parent at the end of
the day.
Rationale Containing and minimizing the handling of soiled diapers reduces the
chance that other surfaces are contaminated which prevents the spread
of infectious disease and the transmission of germs.
Technical
Assistance
The contents of a soiled cloth diaper may be dumped but the diaper
must not be rinsed.

[nannyde]

If a kid poops their pants at my house they go back into diapers until they are accident free for two weeks. I don't deal with kids being pee trained but not poop trained. It has to be both.

I don't have this happen but once every five-7 years or so. I don't switch kids out of diapers until I KNOW they are ready. They have to show me weeks of telling me they have to go before they have to go and doing both pee and poop before the unders come on.

I am VERY strict about wearing protection until they are completely ready to go into undies. It's been three years since I've even had a pee accident here. It's been seven years since I've had a poop accident. I don't want my carpet ruined to save the parents a dollar or two in diapers a day and I won't pay for staff time to clean poopy underwear and clean up the kid.

Sounds to me like the kid still isn't potty trained.

This is kind of funny in a way.
I was reading on another board where the parents were angry because a daycare staff member was busy with a child who had soiled themselves in the bathroom and their child was hurt in an altercation with another 4 year old (so this was an potty accident in a 4 year old room). They felt that the teacher was neglecting the other kids while she was cleaning up the accident child. I have been in that situation while working in a center. I was in the poop smeared bathroom with a poop smeared 4 year old listening to the other kids and peeking out the door while trying to keep little Bobby from stepping in any more of his own feces. Everything that had poop on it went into a bag, so everything that kid was wearing. Their lucky he didn't end up in the bag. No one was hurt except my nose and stomach, but I was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

So, I wonder how upset OP would have been if their child had been hurt while the staff had been cleaning out poopy underwear.

I really think some parents just have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that their child is not the only and most important child in the world. Once they take them somewhere else and introduce them into a room with 10 other most important children in the world, they are not going to get the attention their parents think they "deserve".

[melskids]

i'm in NY and i was told NOT to rinse out poopy under wear or cloth diapers. it is to go in a bag and be sent home.

now, if it is formed, i will try and dump it in the toilet

i think this rule is stupid cause if a child gets poop or puke on MY blanket or whatever, that obviously is going in my washer, so why can't the poopy/ puked on clothes as well? what happens when they puke on MY carpet? i'm surely not going to be rolling that up and throwing it away.....

[Daycare Mommy]

Originally Posted by melskids

i think this rule is stupid cause if a child gets poop or puke on MY blanket or whatever, that obviously is going in my washer, so why can't the poopy/ puked on clothes as well? what happens when they puke on MY carpet? i'm surely not going to be rolling that up and throwing it away.....

Yeah, but the amount of poop on blanket vs. poop in underwear is, I'm sure, a big difference. And after a short run I did with cloth diapers. I realized that the washing machine doesn't get things as clean as I thought it did and "things" get left behind in the machine or stick to whatever you're washing. Ew, ew, ew!!!

I definitely don't understand why anyone would want to mess with another person's child's poo any more than they have to to get the child cleaned and ready to go with the rest of their day. Parent's miss enough when their child is in daycare. Let them share in the joy of helping out with the occasional clean-up. Participating in the aftermath of accidents may help certain parents (original poster) to realize their children aren't potty trained after all and should be in pullups until the #2 accidents have stopped.

[melskids]

Originally Posted by Daycare Mommy

Yeah, but the amount of poop on blanket vs. poop in underwear is, I'm sure, a big difference. And after a short run I did with cloth diapers. I realized that the washing machine doesn't get things as clean as I thought it did and "things" get left behind in the machine or stick to whatever you're washing. Ew, ew, ew!!!

I definitely don't understand why anyone would want to mess with another person's child's poo any more than they have to to get the child cleaned and ready to go with the rest of their day. Parent's miss enough when their child is in daycare. Let them share in the joy of helping out with the occasional clean-up. Participating in the aftermath of accidents may help certain parents (original poster) to realize their children aren't potty trained after all and should be in pullups until the #2 accidents have stopped.

i agree the child is obviously not potty trained if it happens again and again

[Crystal]

while I posted that I would clean them, and have in the past, it has been YEARS since this was an issue for me. I don't potty train until kids are fully ready to train. I typically have a child trained in less than two days.

If I had to clean them, I would dump it in the toilet, run it through the wash BY ITSELF, certainly not with my own families clothing, then run the washer empty with bleach. Pretty simple.

[Carole's Daycare]

I actually refused care to a family with an older almost 4 yr old boy who still pooped his pants. They were fired from a previous daycare for that, amongst other- behavioral issues. I just don't have time to dedicate to one child with that kind of mess, and I don't want the germs and mess. I might dump a formed poo in the pot- but the whole mess goes in a bag and out to the porch to go home. I simply wont risk the safetyof other kids while dealing with the extensive cleanup of a child who messes like that.

[kpa0627]

In Kansas we are not to rinse out underwear either. It's unsanitary to rinse it out in the sink so we are to put it in a bag and send it home the way it is. It might be frustrating for the parents but it's one of our rules we have to follow.

Originally Posted by judytrickett

As a daycare provider I don't rinse them out either. It's pretty unhygenic to rinse out someone else's underwear. Besides, if a child is not fully potty trained then they shouldn't be in underwear in a daycare setting anyway. Peeing and pooping in underwear exposes the other kids to it too. Yuck!

i totally disagree on a few different levels. first of all, as a parent of children who were in daycare, i know i would be IRATE to open a bag into the washer to find a big surprise of POOP (which has happened to me with no warning). as a daycare provider of 2 year olds, i know that i found it to be common sense and common courtesy to dump the feces into the toilet and run the underwear beneath the faucet (while wearing gloves, of course) before bagging them.

secondly, i don't see how you can say (as a child care provider OR mother) that

a child who isn't fully potty trained shouldn't be wearing underwear in a daycare setting. HELLO! if a child who is potty training spends the bulk of their day in a daycare, then they will not get potty trained without the help of the childcare provider!

one of the BEST ways to potty train is by making a potty training age child wear underwear (instead of pull ups) so that they will feel the mess and not like it. GOOD daycares work with kids who are potty training and take them to the potty every hour.

you can't expect a child in your care for 8 or 9 hours a day to suddenly go from pull ups to underwear with no accidents! there is an "in between" time there where there WILL be accidents. :::sigh:::: wow - just wow.

i should also mention that there was one time when i was dumpin feces from underwear into the toilet when a co-worker told me that i didn't have to do that - to which i replied - i couldn't imagine putting it into a bag when it was so easy to move my hand over and dump it

furthermore, when i worked at a daycare, my son was in the 3 year old room (had just been moved up) and i worked with school aged children. i could see how frustrated the "teachers" in his room would get when a child had an accident, so i SPECIFICALLY requested that if my son had an accident that they send him over to me to clean him up myself. well, i got home one night and was opening his soiled clothes bag into the laundry only to find a big lump of feces. i was FURIOUS and i let the worker know it the next day. i was in the same building - just a hop, skip, and a jump away - and instead of sending him over to me, she put his dirty underwear, feces and all, into a bag. that is not only disgusting, but rude! if you aren't prepared to deal with potty accidents, then i suggest you find a new profession!

kpa0627 -

while it may be unsanitary to rinse in the sink, you can always put the underwear down in the toilet, and when you flush it, it usually takes off the feces and most of the mess from the underwear.

from there, you put it in a bag. there's no excuse for sending a turd home in a bag to someone who pays tons of money for you to care for their child.

[toddletots]

I flush the stool down the toilet if it solid, bag it and send it home. If the parent wants to toss it, it's their choice. They are made aware of what is in that bag! Some of my coworkers won't even remove the solid bm. They think it's gross, well, it is, but that is a part of working with children!

[mac60]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

kpa0627 -

while it may be unsanitary to rinse in the sink, you can always put the underwear down in the toilet, and when you flush it, it usually takes off the feces and most of the mess from the underwear.

from there, you put it in a bag. there's no excuse for sending a turd home in a bag to someone who pays tons of money for you to care for their child.

Trust me, I don't get paid tons of money to care for someones child. And really, do you want to touch someone wet and soiled underwear, wring them out with YOUR hands after you have dipped them into the toilet. I doudt it, and I don't either.

[Daycare Mommy]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

there's no excuse for sending a turd home in a bag to someone who pays tons of money for you to care for their child.

You've got to be kidding me! I do NOT make tons of money and I doubt anyone on here does. I charge an average rate for where I live and only made $25k last year TOTAL watching 5 children. That was working 50+ hours per week BEFORE EXPENSES. Out of that I paid for the children's meals, activities, new toys, books, equipment, etc. so my actual income was much less!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

while it may be unsanitary to rinse in the sink, you can always put the underwear down in the toilet, and when you flush it, it usually takes off the feces and most of the mess from the underwear. from there, you put it in a bag.

That is an absolutely disgusting suggestion. Even worse than the suggestion that we rinse it in the sink where the children have to wash their hands. Do you think that makes the underwear more sanitary to swirl around in my toilet before I bag it?

If I were a daycare parent I'd tell the provider to toss the underwear if the poop was at all smooshed into it. I would never in a million years expect anyone to rinse or scrub my "potty-trained" child's underwear even if I had deluded myself into thinking they were pocketing "tons" of money.

[nannyde]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

kpa0627 -

while it may be unsanitary to rinse in the sink, you can always put the underwear down in the toilet, and when you flush it, it usually takes off the feces and most of the mess from the underwear.

from there, you put it in a bag. there's no excuse for sending a turd home in a bag to someone who pays tons of money for you to care for their child.

I would be happy to do your suggestion if I got paid. I think five bucks a swirl would get me to do it. Parents willing to poney up for the Ick factor? Bring em on. Otherwise they go straight into the garbage and the kid goes back in diapers.

I don't build in underwear salvage into my daily rate so even though I do make "tons of money" it's not enough to get me to do it for free.

[GretasLittleFriends]

Soiled underwear... Haven't had this issue yet.

However, earlier in the week I had a child who soiled their jeans. The child is 5 1/2 and in kindergarten.

The child was sitting at my kitchen table with everyone else at snack time 3:30p. All of a sudden the children were complaining that the diapered one was stinky. I took him down, checked him. He was dry and clean.

Throughout the evening I kept catching an unpleasant aroma. Finally close to 8p as I'm getting the kids ready for bed/winding down for the evening (all scheduled to leave at 10:30p) I asked, "ok, who pooped their pants". Low and behold the kindergartner who was one that was complaining of the smell was the culprit. This one soiled pants at afternoon snack time and didn't say anything until I jokingly asked at 8ish. I honestly figured someone had bad gas, as it wasn't a constant smell. I of course questioned this, and the child admitted to pooping pants at snack time. I'm practically in tears angry at this point, as this child has been all over my house, on furniture, carpeting, dinner table etc.

Naturally I took the child into the bathroom, grabbed a change of clothes packed for the younger sibling. Helped the child undress the bottoms to prevent a bigger mess in the bathroom only to discover this child was going commando. I WAS FURIOUS!!! At this point I was ready to go find a size 6 diaper (I have a few spares from when my son finished potty training) and put this child into it. The child proceeds to throw a fit because there wasn't a change of underwear for them, so they had to just put the sweatpants on (after having themselves cleaned up).

Needless to say this child and the other three (my son included) got to stay up late (sitting on chairs in the kitchen) while I sani-tized the house. And the pants were NOT rinsed and just put into a plastic bag. I figured if the parent felt it was ok to send the child to school and daycare without underwear on, that parent would be ok scrubbing the child's jeans.

The best part... All of this for $2/hr for that particular child. Tons of $$.

[misol]

Originally Posted by Daycare Mommy

You've got to be kidding me! I do NOT make tons of money and I doubt anyone on here does. I charge an average rate for where I live and only made $25k last year TOTAL watching 5 children. That was working 50+ hours per week BEFORE EXPENSES. Out of that I paid for the children's meals, activities, new toys, books, equipment, etc. so my actual income was much less!



That is an absolutely disgusting suggestion. Even worse than the suggestion that we rinse it in the sink where the children have to wash their hands. Do you think that makes the underwear more sanitary to swirl around in my toilet before I bag it?

If I were a daycare parent I'd tell the provider to toss the underwear if the poop was at all smooshed into it. I would never in a million years expect anyone to rinse or scrub my "potty-trained" child's underwear even if I had deluded myself into thinking they were pocketing "tons" of money.

I totally agree with this.

Originally Posted by nannyde

I would be happy to do your suggestion if I got paid. I think five bucks a swirl would get me to do it. Parents willing to poney up for the Ick factor? Bring em on. Otherwise they go straight into the garbage and the kid goes back in diapers.

I don't build in underwear salvage into my daily rate so even though I do make "tons of money" it's not enough to get me to do it for free.

I am cracking up at "five bucks a swirl"

Funny though, when I was young I remember my babysitter doing exactly this. She would change my little brother's DISPOSEABLE diaper and if he pooped she would rinse it out in the toilet bowl with her bare hands, wring it out, then wrap the diaper in itself and throw it away. Since I was 9 at the time, I would sometimes change him while were at her house and just throw the poopy diaper in the bathroom trash. So, she showed me one day how she wanted me to handle the poopy diapers. She said that she did it that to cut down on the smell. I was NOT doing that so from that point forward, I just let her change all the poopy diapers after that LOL. It's WAY more sanitary to just take out the trash daily if you want to cut down on the smell. The crazy thing was that we lived in an apartment building and the trash incinerator was just 4 doors down from her!

[momofsix]

Originally Posted by GretasLittleFriends

Soiled underwear... Haven't had this issue yet.

However, earlier in the week I had a child who soiled their jeans. The child is 5 1/2 and in kindergarten.

The child was sitting at my kitchen table with everyone else at snack time 3:30p. All of a sudden the children were complaining that the diapered one was stinky. I took him down, checked him. He was dry and clean.

Throughout the evening I kept catching an unpleasant aroma. Finally close to 8p as I'm getting the kids ready for bed/winding down for the evening (all scheduled to leave at 10:30p) I asked, "ok, who pooped their pants". Low and behold the kindergartner who was one that was complaining of the smell was the culprit. This one soiled pants at afternoon snack time and didn't say anything until I jokingly asked at 8ish. I honestly figured someone had bad gas, as it wasn't a constant smell. I of course questioned this, and the child admitted to pooping pants at snack time. I'm practically in tears angry at this point, as this child has been all over my house, on furniture, carpeting, dinner table etc.

Naturally I took the child into the bathroom, grabbed a change of clothes packed for the younger sibling. Helped the child undress the bottoms to prevent a bigger mess in the bathroom only to discover this child was going commando. I WAS FURIOUS!!! At this point I was ready to go find a size 6 diaper (I have a few spares from when my son finished potty training) and put this child into it. The child proceeds to throw a fit because there wasn't a change of underwear for them, so they had to just put the sweatpants on (after having themselves cleaned up).

Needless to say this child and the other three (my son included) got to stay up late (sitting on chairs in the kitchen) while I sani-tized the house. And the pants were NOT rinsed and just put into a plastic bag. I figured if the parent felt it was ok to send the child to school and daycare without underwear on, that parent would be ok scrubbing the child's jeans.

The best part... All of this for $2/hr for that particular child. Tons of $$.

Oh you poor thing! That is disgusting. Let us know how the parents respond to this one!

[jen]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

kpa0627 -

while it may be unsanitary to rinse in the sink, you can always put the underwear down in the toilet, and when you flush it, it usually takes off the feces and most of the mess from the underwear.

from there, you put it in a bag. there's no excuse for sending a turd home in a bag to someone who pays tons of money for you to care for their child.

LOL! What is your version of "tons" of money??? I charge 140/week per child. So, lets see on average I work 60 hours per week. That "someone" is paying me $2.33 per hour! And out of that $2.33 an hour I pay for food, toys, activities and repairs..yeah, TONS of money.

Don't get me wrong, I love what I do, I love that I am at home, and I love that I can pick and choose what I offer and what I do not offer...and I don't offer toilet swirlies! YUCK!!!

[GretasLittleFriends]

Originally Posted by momofsix

Oh you poor thing! That is disgusting. Let us know how the parents respond to this one!

The dad just kind of blew it off. I'm not sure if he reprimanded the child at home. It seems to me that the children aren't the top most wrung on the father's ladder of priorities though. To make things more fun, mom's not actively in the pic either.

[QualiTcare]

i'm sorry, but i've worked in "chain daycares" and part of the job description IS cleaning up after children who have accidents. when i worked there, i made 7 dollars when i started, and then 8. i absolutely cleaned up the children AND their underwear.

when you keep children from home, it's no different- cleaning up messes is part of the territory. and yes, if a parent is paying anywhere from 150-200 a week - they shouldn't have poop sent home in a bag. furthermore, if you are charging 140 and keep 5 kids - by most people's standards, that is good money!

i am charging 175 a week and only keeping 4 kids, but i went to college for four years and earned a degree. i would never consider not cleaning up a child's underwear whose parents are paying nearly 800 bucks a month - which in my opinion most def. IS a "ton of money."

[nannyde]

Originally Posted by QualiTcare

i'm sorry, but i've worked in "chain daycares" and part of the job description IS cleaning up after children who have accidents. when i worked there, i made 7 dollars when i started, and then 8. i absolutely cleaned up the children AND their underwear.

when you keep children from home, it's no different- cleaning up messes is part of the territory. and yes, if a parent is paying anywhere from 150-200 a week - they shouldn't have poop sent home in a bag. furthermore, if you are charging 140 and keep 5 kids - by most people's standards, that is good money!

i am charging 175 a week and only keeping 4 kids, but i went to college for four years and earned a degree. i would never consider not cleaning up a child's underwear whose parents are paying nearly 800 bucks a month - which in my opinion most def. IS a "ton of money."

Oh I agree we make a ton of money. I just won't do that for the ton of money. I'm not in the business of salvaging a cheapo pair of undies. It would cost me more in staff time to mess with the underwear than the underwear cost. I'm not going to do it. If the parent was upset about me tossing them I would be happy to give them a spare pair of undies I have in my stock. I have people leave spare clothes here thru the years and I'm sure I could find a replacement or buy a replacement for them.

I don't think my day care parents would even WANT pooped underwear back. I've never had a poop accident here in nine years so I don't know for sure. All my kids have been here since they were babies and I potty train them. They don't go into undies until they are very successful for a very long time.

My main concern isn't the undies it's the fact that the child is not potty trained if he is havin poop accidents. I would insist on pull ups for the child while in my house for at least a couple of weeks and a spare stack of cheapo undies her for the future.

[Daycare Mommy]

Originally Posted by QualiTcare

i'm sorry, but i've worked in "chain daycares" and part of the job description IS cleaning up after children who have accidents.

Cleaning up the child is our job. No argument there. Also I'm sure we all agree that keeping the daycare environment clean and sanitary for the safety of all children present is our job. Taking the extra time to wash (or rinse) feces out of the child's soiled clothing is not.

#1 Depends on the state regulations whether you are even allowed to do this, as many have already stated.

#2 It makes an even bigger mess to attempt this. (I'm guessing this is why it is against state regs in many places)

#3 Too much time considering we've already burned up lots of time cleaning child (sometimes all the way up to a bath if it's a very bad mess) and washing and sanitizing whatever else was hit (cot, couch, rugs, toilet, sink, bathroom floor). We have other children to be caring for too. (Could be another reason the state regs are there for some of us) We've already cleaned most of the mess (child and whatever else was hit). After all that it's time to get back to spending time with the other 4 (or more) children whose parents are paying us "tons of money" to provide quality daycare for. The parent can do the laundry.

Originally Posted by QualiTcare

when you keep children from home, it's no different- cleaning up messes is part of the territory. and yes, if a parent is paying anywhere from 150-200 a week - they shouldn't have poop sent home in a bag. furthermore, if you are charging 140 and keep 5 kids - by most people's standards, that is good money!

i am charging 175 a week and only keeping 4 kids, but i went to college for four years and earned a degree. i would never consider not cleaning up a child's underwear whose parents are paying nearly 800 bucks a month - which in my opinion most def. IS a "ton of money."

Soooo, does this mean that those of us who live in areas where the going rate is less than $150 have a reprieve from underwear scrubbing?

I will state this again. I DON'T make a ton of money. $25k last year, even if i did get to keep it all, is NOT a ton of money. And for 8 years of being open that's my record folks! People in my area charge $100-135 and when I started it was $80-$100. Most of us are providing meals and many are doing full preschool programs as well. $140 is a bit more than I make, but still after all the expenses... this isn't a profession you get into for the money.

$175 is unheard of here (4 year degree or not). So yeah, if you feel that you've worked really hard to get where you are and earn what you earn, and you decide that scrubbing underwear is important to you, by all means keep doing it. But I'll stand by what I said. Scrubbing poo out of dc kid underwear is not job requirement to be a daycare provider.

And no (in case anyone is wondering), NONE of the daycare parents over the last 8 years have had any problem with me giving them the poo bag the few times it's happened. It's in my contract that if potty accidents happen, I will clean kid and house, they clean the clothes.

[Childminder]

Well said Daycare mommy! This post is going nowhere and I'm not sure why I clicked on it again. I guess to see why it has continued for so long.

[QualiTcare]

"$175 is unheard of here (4 year degree or not)."

175 is unheard of here too BECAUSE there are no daycare directors or workers who have a degree at all, much less a degree in the field.

the requirements are typically a GED and pass a background check.

so, if you DO have a degree in the field - there will be parents who value education and a small teacher/child ratio who will pay it.

the first parent who signed up with me said she was paying $186 at a "chain" daycare (the same one i used to work for) and they had too many kids, too much turnover, etc.

so, if someone will pay $175 (or more) to a daycare that keeps as many kids as they possibly, legally can - then why wouldn't you think they would pay you as much? i don't know how many kids you keep, but i guess the fact i only keep 4 may be part of the enticement since i actually have time to pay attention to their kids.

[Daycare Mommy]

Originally Posted by QualiTcare

you don't have to clean the clothes, but why would you hand a parent a bag with a turd in it?

if you're handling poopy underwear to the point where you're bagging them and tying them up to send home - there's not much extra work involved in shaking the turd out over the toilet!

and since you insist on repeating your yearly salary - did u miss the part where i said i made SEVEN dollars and then eight at the daycare where i worked?

so, obviously, it's less to do with money, and more to do with class. maybe you think you're too classy to deal with poopie (which is where i say get another job), but i say i'm too classy to hand a parent a bag of poop!

Okay. I don't even feel the need to respond to parts of this. Reread the above responses by me. I DO shake the poop into the toilet. I DO clean poo from child and floor, cot, etc. I DO NOT rinse or scrub stuck on poop from underwear. You have my reasoning in the above posts.

Originally Posted by QualiTcare

"$175 is unheard of here (4 year degree or not)."

175 is unheard of here too BECAUSE there are no daycare directors or workers who have a degree at all, much less a degree in the field.

the requirements are typically a GED and pass a background check.

so, if you DO have a degree in the field - there will be parents who value education and a small teacher/child ratio who will pay it.

the first parent who signed up with me said she was paying $186 at a "chain" daycare (the same one i used to work for) and they had too many kids, too much turnover, etc.

so, if someone will pay $175 (or more) to a daycare that keeps as many kids as they possibly, legally can - then why wouldn't you think they would pay you as much? i don't know how many kids you keep, but i guess the fact i only keep 4 may be part of the enticement since i actually have time to pay attention to their kids.

It seems you have a corner on the market in your area. We aren't all so fortunate. Degreed providers are more common here. We have at least 5 degreed home providers and I'm sure that there are more that I haven't heard about since not everyone brings their education up every chance they get. They charge at the top of the going rates I mentioned, $135. I'm not sure why they don't charge more. Perhaps it's too much competition or perhaps it's that they aren't in this for the money.

[Vesta]

Originally Posted by QualiTcare

"
175 is unheard of here too BECAUSE there are no daycare directors or workers who have a degree at all, much less a degree in the field.

the requirements are typically a GED and pass a background check.

so, if you DO have a degree in the field - there will be parents who value education and a small teacher/child ratio who will pay it.


but i guess the fact i only keep 4 may be part of the enticement since i actually have time to pay attention to their kids.

OR
$175 is unheard of because the local economy won't support it.
Where I live $175 a week would get you laughed out of town, because we have an extremely depressed local economy where a majority of the kids go to state funded pre-k and head start programs.
If you want to clean out poopy underwear, go for it. Just don't assume that those of who don't are undereducated fops who don't have time to properly "pay attention to their kids" because we are all keeping 30 placated in front of the television.

[QualiTcare]

Originally Posted by Daycare Mommy

Okay. I don't even feel the need to respond to parts of this. Reread the above responses by me. I DO shake the poop into the toilet. I DO clean poo from child and floor, cot, etc. I DO NOT rinse or scrub stuck on poop from underwear. You have my reasoning in the above posts.




It seems you have a corner on the market in your area. We aren't all so fortunate. Degreed providers are more common here. We have at least 5 degreed home providers and I'm sure that there are more that I haven't heard about since not everyone brings their education up every chance they get. They charge at the top of the going rates I mentioned, $135. I'm not sure why they don't charge more. Perhaps it's too much competition or perhaps it's that they aren't in this for the money.

charging more doesn't mean you are "in it for the money." it's all about the market you're targeting. why keep 7 kids at $100 each when you can keep 4 kids for $175? sure, the economy is bad, but there are always people out there that have money to burn no matter how bad it gets for everyone else. if i could advertise for $175 and get customers - why wouldn't i charge that much?!

face it - everyone who keeps children does it for the money to some extent - otherwise, childcare would be FREE!