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Old 06-20-2008, 02:40 PM
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I know a lady from my church who watches children in her home. I belive right now she has 5 full-time children, and sometimes has additional before/after school kids. I believe she has too many kids with out having a license. She also has 5 children of her own, ages 8months, twin 4 year olds, 6 years and 8 years. I know some states one's own chldren must be counted in the total amount of children that a provider can watch. Any info. would be appreciated. I don't really want to get this lady in trouble. I'm just concern about the safety of the children and want to talk to her just in case she doesn't know all the regualtions.
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Old 06-22-2008, 06:49 AM
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Why do you think it is your business? It she is not bothering you, it is not your concern. Maybe you would not be able to care for 5 children, but that doesn't mean she is not capable of it. I know many providers who care for more children than 5 and do a wonderful job at it. I personally think it isn't your business, especially if you have never seen her do anything wrong. The parents who go there obviously know how many children are in her care, it is there business not yours.

Why is it these days everyone feels they need to be in everyone else's business. People need to learn to butt out.
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I just found out that on Mon & Tue. she will be working over night at a group home. She's worked there for a few years, but was doing it on the weekends. She decided to give up the weekends and work overnight on Mon. and tue. Her hubby is home when the children arrive. I think this is unsafe. Not about the hubby, but that she's up for like 3 days. She says she told the parents and everyone was fine with this. Would anyone else be fine with this?
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Rules and regulations are put in place to protect people. If someone is breaking these, they should be told about it. Anyway, she has 10 children in her care, 5 that she's being paid for and 5 of her own. That's quite a few. I did ask her about it at Church. she said she's under the limit. However, I know she's just in it for the money. She only took 1 day off when she came home with her baby 8 months ago. She says she can't afford to take off. She said she needs to make at least $150/day to cover their expenses. It's people like this who make it bad for all of the honest people. For those who get upset about people needing to butt out, maybe they have something to hide too. Just my opinion.
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Old 06-25-2008, 12:15 AM
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There again, why do you think it is your business what this woman does. I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful here, but as long as she is communicating with the parents....which is sounds like she is, the parents are aware of her situation with her other job. Is simply isn't your business unless you see her abusing a child.

And by the way, I have had 2 family members that worked in group homes for the overnight shift.....and they were paid a lesser wage per hour because they were allowed to sleep. I have a daycare, and I work a pt 2nd shift job.....works fine for me, and it is nobody else's business, including my parents, what I do in my off time. My having a second job has no impact on my first job.

I personally think you need to find something to do and quit watching/worrying and putting your nose in your neighbors business. It plain and simply isn't your business, no matter how much you think it "should" be.
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Old 06-25-2008, 01:52 PM
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Don't accuse people of things when you know nothing about them. I have nothing to hide. I just don't care for people who like to make other people's business theirs. Maybe you can't handle that load, doesn't mean someone else can't. Another assumption.....that she is in it for the money. Did she tell you that herself? If you think it is such an easy job, do it for 6 months. And so what if she makes good money at operating a daycare.....isn't that the idea of a job....to enjoy what you do and make money at it.

As far as only taking a day off when she came home from having her baby, honestly, how do you know that, did you ask her that too, or did you sit and watch her, or did you just "assume" that. Glad you are not my neighbor, I would be telling you to mind your own business.

Honestly, why do you feel it is so important to keep tabs on your neighbor and watch her. Let alone feel you have the right to mendle in her personal affairs and ask her personal questions. It is people like you who cause problems for us, in the end, if everyone minded their own business, it would be a better world. Obviously the parents of the dc children are fine with her caring for their children. Do this woman a favor,,,,,and butt out of her life.
Don't mean to show any disrespect here, but to have someone post things as though they are "stalking" someone, is a little unsettling.
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If you are so concerned about the safety of the children, why don't you volunteer to help her out for free one day a week?! Or perhaps offer to watch her children overnight so she and her husband can get away and get some rest for a change?

I don't understand the judgement versus volunteer helping hand attitude from someone proclaiming to be a sister in the church.

P.S. Why else would she be doing daycare unless she needed money, its a job!
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:49 AM
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If you are so concerned about the safety of the children, why don't you volunteer to help her out for free one day a week?! Or perhaps offer to watch her children overnight so she and her husband can get away and get some rest for a change?

I don't understand the judgement versus volunteer helping hand attitude from someone proclaiming to be a sister in the church.

P.S. Why else would she be doing daycare unless she needed money, its a job!
Thank you for this, it was very well said. I honestly think some people believe we sit on our butts all day and do nothing. They fail to realize what we do for 10 plus hours per day, for no benefits, no paid time off, etc. Many forget that even though we may be paid $400 per week, we have to buy groceries, supplies, pay extra in utilities, our own taxes, etc. It is not an easy job by any means. We have good days and we have bad days just like at any other job. There is so much more to being a good provider than just being a "babysitter", which I am not! I am a caring dc provider who offers nutritional meals, hugs, love, a preschool curriculum, a safe place for your child while you are at work, etc.

I think your idea of volunteering for 1 day a week is a great idea. It is a JOB that the majority of women can not handle.
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So you say you know her from church. Do you not listen to the teachings or read the bible. It is not our job to judge. Because someone feels that we should stay out of others business does not man they have something to hide. That is pure ignorance. Offer to help her get a feel for what is going on in the home. You may find that she is quite capable of her job. I am a school teacher that deals with a great number of children and I am never questioned. Because I am certified that makes me a great, reliable, trustworthy person? Not really. Look at all the teachers that give the good ones a bad name for all of their foolishness.Please use your heart and let GOD guide you to the right answer on this woman.
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It's so sad to see how this country is doing with all this so called 'legal' stuff. Soon you can't even go out the door, without double checking it with your lawyer (read liar) first. Why can't people just be honest, stop accusing and suing others. I'm from another place where we have our children running free in neighborhoods, free education, lovely neighbors, etc. Not every 3rd person is a lawyer like here. If you fell on my floor, I would not get sued. If you want to take 5 kids to your home and take care of them while their parents are working, it's actually legal. If your kid kicks my kids butt, I won't sue yours. Not that it's acceptable behavior, but why to get legal battle out of it? I mean people, hello? Just relax and start living your life. If lady in your church has 10 kids to take care of, offer her some help 2 afternoons per week, instead of taking her to the legal spin. Not that she is doing the right thing and she might be doing it illegally, but just make sure she can afford for change before you'll force her to change her life. Ending her daycare or such...
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Ok first off it is up to you to do something about it because if something happens to the children then you can be held responiable for it. Pluse I know that in Airzona their is this company called family conncet that will help you get licensed for home child care. If it was me I would call some one because we have to protect the children
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Ok first off it is up to you to do something about it because if something happens to the children then you can be held responiable for it. Pluse I know that in Airzona their is this company called family conncet that will help you get licensed for home child care. If it was me I would call some one because we have to protect the children


I agree. We have to protect the kids. To everyone who disagrees, then I don't believe you really have the children's safety in mind. Sure, everyone wants/needs money but at what expense? The safety of children? IF she really enjoys watching children, why DON'T she just get licensed? What's the big deal? Unless she's not claiming the income. But that's another issue for everyone to argue over. I did check the regulations for AZ and to watch more than 4 children (including your own) you need to be licensed.
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Yes, the teacher to child ratio in AZ is 1 to 5 but that does NOT include her children. Being unlicensed does not mean your breaking the law! One thing i would suggest is that before you start getting the law involved, that you make sure you understand the daycare laws and regulations. You can really open yourself to sued by making false alligations. One other thing........It is none of your business how much she makes in income. Why don't you worry about the things in your life and not someone elses life.
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I just took my daughter out of a situation, where the lady was non licensed.

Some people can handle more kids better than others, this is true.

However the laws are put in place to protect us. Sadly, my now former sitter, didn't have a license. She still doesn't. She is watching about 15 kids a day, plus older kids when they are on intersession.

I don't know what goes on durning the day, but the alarms should have gone off, when my daughter was born, and the woman took 4 babies at the same time, plus she had older kids. I would see the bigger kids in time out all of the time, and just thought they were always into trouble.

Then it was my turn. At 1 1/2, my daughter crawled into a exersaucer, and the sitter made her stay there all day. I was mad and told her about it. Then she would break toys, and get put outside for time out. She would spend some days, outside for time out ALL DAY. My 3 year old got to where she actually enjoyed time out. Due to the emotional neglect, she would purposefully go to time out to avoid the care giver, or to avoid being picked on. She was the last kid standing when a fight errupted, and always took the brunt of it.

When this sitter had about 7 to 10 kids, they got more one on one attention. I agree though, it is hard to truley meet the emotional needs of kids as the numbers climb.
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I just took my daughter out of a situation, where the lady was non licensed.

Some people can handle more kids better than others, this is true.

However the laws are put in place to protect us. Sadly, my now former sitter, didn't have a license. She still doesn't. She is watching about 15 kids a day, plus older kids when they are on intersession.

I don't know what goes on durning the day, but the alarms should have gone off, when my daughter was born, and the woman took 4 babies at the same time, plus she had older kids. I would see the bigger kids in time out all of the time, and just thought they were always into trouble.

Then it was my turn. At 1 1/2, my daughter crawled into a exersaucer, and the sitter made her stay there all day. I was mad and told her about it. Then she would break toys, and get put outside for time out. She would spend some days, outside for time out ALL DAY. My 3 year old got to where she actually enjoyed time out. Due to the emotional neglect, she would purposefully go to time out to avoid the care giver, or to avoid being picked on. She was the last kid standing when a fight errupted, and always took the brunt of it.

When this sitter had about 7 to 10 kids, they got more one on one attention. I agree though, it is hard to truley meet the emotional needs of kids as the numbers climb.
I am really and truly hoping that this is some kind of joke. Seriously.
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I just took my daughter out of a situation, where the lady was non licensed.

Some people can handle more kids better than others, this is true.

However the laws are put in place to protect us. Sadly, my now former sitter, didn't have a license. She still doesn't. She is watching about 15 kids a day, plus older kids when they are on intersession.

I don't know what goes on durning the day, but the alarms should have gone off, when my daughter was born, and the woman took 4 babies at the same time, plus she had older kids. I would see the bigger kids in time out all of the time, and just thought they were always into trouble.

Then it was my turn. At 1 1/2, my daughter crawled into a exersaucer, and the sitter made her stay there all day. I was mad and told her about it. Then she would break toys, and get put outside for time out. She would spend some days, outside for time out ALL DAY. My 3 year old got to where she actually enjoyed time out. Due to the emotional neglect, she would purposefully go to time out to avoid the care giver, or to avoid being picked on. She was the last kid standing when a fight errupted, and always took the brunt of it.

When this sitter had about 7 to 10 kids, they got more one on one attention. I agree though, it is hard to truley meet the emotional needs of kids as the numbers climb.
Why did you leave your child there so long?? And why would you leave your child somewhere where there was 15 children? And you said your daughter crawled into a exersaucer, and the sitter made her stay there all day and your where mad and told her about it AND YOU TOOK HER BACK?? WHY?? and WHY???
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Does anyone know how to spell anymore? Seriously? Right click and hit the spell check button. A typo is one thing, but all the spelling errors are another story.

First, It is none of your business. Should you truly be concerned about the children's safety, you would have taken this to authorities, not to an internet forum.

Second, Her income is none of your business. If she chose to be open a day after giving birth, her choice. If she chose to be open 7 days a week for 10 hours a day, that's her choice!

Third, Her 2 oldest children are all school aged. They are not home during the day, therefore, she only has 3 of her own children in her care for the most part of the day. And possibly the 4 yo twins may be in some sort of part time schooling as well? Assuming you googled or did some form of a search to find daycare.com, you could have googled the Arizona daycare rules and regulations and found out that you are allowed to watch up to 5 children PAID, which does not include your own children. So she is not breaking any rules.

Finally, Every parent that drops off their kids at this woman's place, obviously know the situation, trust her completely, otherwise they wouldn't leave their child with her.
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In Arizona, you can watch 4 children for compensation and be unlicensed. Your own children do not count in your ratio. If you watch 5 children for compensation, you must be licensed through the state. If you have 6 or more for compensation, you must have an additional licensed caregiver on the premises.

http://www.azdhs.gov/als/childcare/

Some of the information on this website is a little hard to find. If you want to be sure about anything....just call them!
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Does anyone know how to spell anymore? Seriously? Right click and hit the spell check button. A typo is one thing, but all the spelling errors are another story.

First, It is none of your business. Should you truly be concerned about the children's safety, you would have taken this to authorities, not to an internet forum.

Second, Her income is none of your business. If she chose to be open a day after giving birth, her choice. If she chose to be open 7 days a week for 10 hours a day, that's her choice!

Third, Her 2 oldest children are all school aged. They are not home during the day, therefore, she only has 3 of her own children in her care for the most part of the day. And possibly the 4 yo twins may be in some sort of part time schooling as well? Assuming you googled or did some form of a search to find daycare.com, you could have googled the Arizona daycare rules and regulations and found out that you are allowed to watch up to 5 children PAID, which does not include your own children. So she is not breaking any rules.

Finally, Every parent that drops off their kids at this woman's place, obviously know the situation, trust her completely, otherwise they wouldn't leave their child with her.
Very well said!! AMEN!
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ok so i just read the other posts...lady with the kid who crawled in the exercauser who took her kid to an unlicensed daycare that had 15 kids and you knew they were put outdoors for time out all day....yeah, about that...the provider should be in jail and your parental rights should be terminated...that's just messed up.
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Um, ladies..... this original thread is 2 1/2 yrs old. Just thought I'd point that out.
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I agree, some of these posts are TOO OLD and not very helpful at all. This is mostly an opinion thread, why can't these be deleted? I saw a few of these 2-years-old threads.
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i did not realize that....DOH! lol
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I think that even though the threads are old, it's ok for them to still be active.

Personally, I think for newer people, the old threads are still very useful.

I don't usually look at the dates. But if it pops up on unread I read it
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I just took my daughter out of a situation, where the lady was non licensed.

Some people can handle more kids better than others, this is true.

However the laws are put in place to protect us. Sadly, my now former sitter, didn't have a license. She still doesn't. She is watching about 15 kids a day, plus older kids when they are on intersession.

I don't know what goes on durning the day, but the alarms should have gone off, when my daughter was born, and the woman took 4 babies at the same time, plus she had older kids. I would see the bigger kids in time out all of the time, and just thought they were always into trouble.

Then it was my turn. At 1 1/2, my daughter crawled into a exersaucer, and the sitter made her stay there all day. I was mad and told her about it. Then she would break toys, and get put outside for time out. She would spend some days, outside for time out ALL DAY. My 3 year old got to where she actually enjoyed time out. Due to the emotional neglect, she would purposefully go to time out to avoid the care giver, or to avoid being picked on. She was the last kid standing when a fight errupted, and always took the brunt of it.

When this sitter had about 7 to 10 kids, they got more one on one attention. I agree though, it is hard to truley meet the emotional needs of kids as the numbers climb.
The original was old...but this piece of work is new...
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